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But what are we gonna talk about we're gonna

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talk about the business side of porn and shit

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Okay, cuz that really what we don't want to get

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demonetized Like I was looking some stuff up

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for research before this and I was like I cannot

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do side long like Screen in stuff on this topic

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because we would get freaking Community slammed

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so fast I'm going to come back to this. It reminds

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me of something that happened at the store. Jay

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provided us with a wonderful report last week

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on the business of the adult entertainment industry.

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And combining that with some research with some

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great links from our viewers who put that into

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our Discord, we're going to talk about the business

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of the adult industry, what we know now and where

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we think it's going. So top line of the report

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that you sent over. And then we're going to get

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into some like caveats here. They tack the adult

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and pornographic website industry, the websites,

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right? At 1 .3 billion in revenue a year. Right?

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And you and I, when we first looked at this last

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week, when we were looking at the report, both

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of you and I were like, that seems low. Would

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you not agree? No, yeah, I think it's at least

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like sixty -nine point sixty -nine percent or

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like sorry sixty -nine point sixty -nine billion

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dollars It has to be it has to be So the report

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does address that in again you've got to kind

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of get into the You've got to kind of get into

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like the little the details one of the things

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that they talk about in this report is one of

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the things that excluded from that 1 .3 billion

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is Cam sites right for example, right? They're

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like we have a hard time tracking them because

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there's so many of them They're private companies.

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They don't report revenue. We have no idea how

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much Chatterbait or cam soda or what's the other

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one? I see ads for all the crowd live jasmine

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All those nobody knows how much those things

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are making Right There's live jazz people jasmine

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live jasmine, I think he has the one I've seen

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the ads for Also, that number does not include

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only fans Boom, there is a hundred billion dollars

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gone. Actually, that's a good question. Do we

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have do we have revenue numbers for them? 2023.

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We do have money, we do have numbers. I can't

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get the full thing in there. Six point six billion.

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In twenty, twenty three. Is how much they that's

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how much revenue they dropped. And let's say

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again, to be fair to only fans, it's not just

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porn. OK. But it's like 90 percent porn. If you

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if you are like, if you're on only fans and you're

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like, go in there. They were trying for a minute

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to get like to advertise the non adult industry

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stuff. Yeah. And there was actually one moment

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where, because I do have a few like full -time

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adult content creator friends. Yeah. There was

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one point, like OnlyFans was like, we're thinking

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about like banning adult content from our platform,

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and they were like, Oh, it was a huge deal. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. They, They make a buttload of money

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um An anal amount of money. Yes And again, this

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is just those two segments and again cam sites.

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We have no idea right See if I could find anything

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on here Two billion globally is the best estimate

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Right No one knows no one so again, but let's

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take it a face value 1 .9 for the mainstream

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porn industry online 2 billion for campsites

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that means that that initial one that's only

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that's not even half and it's 6 .6 billion in

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rev for only fans Right like That's you know,

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it is a big big industry It's huge. It's massive.

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And it's growing all the time and innovating.

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Again, porn built the internet and now there's

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lots of talk because CES just happened and they

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just had a big conference in Asia. VR porn. VR

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porn. What are your thoughts? I mean, VR has

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had a hard time taking hold in the mainstream.

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It's still kind of a niche product. Right most

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households don't own a VR set, right? Do you

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think porn changes that Jay? So I would say the

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the issue with the VR industry is the 1990 1992

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Kind of issue that came up. Do I do I have to

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say I think we all know it right? What kind of

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hindered the VR? Expansion in 1992 Lawnmower

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man mmm. Yeah that freaked people out, you know

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Lawnmower man No, I'm just kidding. Um God, I

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don't know why I can't ever forget that movie.

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I really do not know why but It's like seared

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into my mind. Um, so to answer your question,

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will like porn change the VR landscape? I think

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porn will always push things forward. Um, and

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now like we're seeing porn in her and I know

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you're going to cover it later, but like, you

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know, sex robots. Um, but yeah, you're going

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to, there's There's going to be a lot of people

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that are going to buy VR headsets just for VR

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porn. So right now, the estimate is 13 percent

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of U .S. households has a VR headset. Right.

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And 14 percent of U .S. households are using

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VR headset for porn. But I mean. I guess my question

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from an innovation, and this actually goes to

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your engineering and business side, right? And

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here's the parallel I will draw, right? Because

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something can't just be better. It's got to be

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better to the amount more you've got to put into

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it, right? The best example I have for this is

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this. The Army uses the M250 caliber machine

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gun. We have been using the same machine gun

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since the end of World War One. That was when

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that machine gun came out. Yeah. And it's not

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that there's not better versions ish of that

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machine gun. It's that how much better they are

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compared to what it would cost us to change out

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and get something new. They're just not that

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much better. You know what I mean? And so to

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me, it's not just about innovation. It's. Does

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that innovation serve, you know, to be is the

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experience of VR porn better than just sitting

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at your computer by enough to make it something

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that's going to get more sales in the US? So

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I think the. Does my question make sense? There's

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a long question, Alex. Oh my God. No kidding.

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I think I'm going to push back a little bit.

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I think true innovation is going to push things

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forward. And when I say true innovation, I don't

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mean a like what the iPhone's doing. Every single

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new iPhone is pretty much the same iPhone as

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a previous one. There's not really much difference

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there. Um, but true innovation is like when Apple

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launched the iPhone, like the very first iPhone

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or the, um, actually the very first of Apple

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computer, like that was innovation. Um, the iPad,

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that was innovation. Um, that's what makes everything

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like kind of go crazy. Um, and yeah, I think,

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I think you have to have true innovation. That's

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what my like business side, like what we're learning

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is for a company to truly add value to the market,

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you have to have real innovation, which is hard

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to do. However. And to kind of answer your question,

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like is VR headsets enough innovation? Is it

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good enough? I would say in the adult entertainment

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space, right, in the adult entertainment space.

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Not yet, but what I'm starting to see that's

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very interesting to me is These like remote controlled

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sex toys very popular on cam sites very popular

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in campsites where How to like explain this where

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we don't get demonetized huh, so essentially

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it's going to you connect it to yourself and

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then You don't have to do anything and then you're

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like if you have a VR headset You're fully immersed

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in and then it feels like things are actually

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happening to you. It's fully immersive I think

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that is going to be enough to kind of like innovate

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and push forward however currently that kind

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of stuff is well outside of everyone's price

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range, so It's going to have to you're gonna

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have to have like more competitors enter in the

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market bring the prices of everything down Maybe

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in the next 10 years, I would say, yeah, 10 years.

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Corn in general, sorry, corn in general is going

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to be fucking crazy. We're going to be fucking

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there's no there's not going to be any more cobs.

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You know, there's not going to be corn on the

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cob anymore. Now is going to be this perfect

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corn. Well, and again, kind of going down that

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innovation route, you know, one of our viewers

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on the discord decided to send me a link to a

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adult entertainment Now, here's the thing. The

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technology and the innovation on these has increased

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greatly in the last few years. Holy smokes, right?

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I went down a rabbit hole and I was like, no,

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because here's my thing with these. And this

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is again comes down to the cost benefit analysis

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that I applied a V .R. I apply to here. It looks

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like kind of your your let's call them top of

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the line models. Right. Of these. Figures. Right.

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They range between two and four thousand dollars.

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Right. And they come with a variety of features.

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Right. They're internally heated. Right. They've

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now got them to do like. basic motions like a

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hip and waist motion. Right. They've got a head

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bobbing motion. Oh, God. OK. Is it like the.

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Oh, is it like what is that TV show The Big Bang

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Theory where the road he programmed the robot?

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Yes. But but again, more more realistically now,

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my personal feeling is they still look a little

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too uncanny valley to me. Right. where they're

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they're too perfect. Yeah, right. They still

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have a very like Barbie doll kind of like plasticky

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aesthetic to them. And I think that that's one

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of the things that that makes it difficult for

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those products. Also, the cost, the cost is they're

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extra. And like I went on one of the websites

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where you can customize, like you can add like

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the internal heating and the movement and, you

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know. Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba

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ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba that is

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there, right? Again, for me, I think it's a little

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too uncanny valley. And again, for the cost,

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I would be like, just hire an escort every so

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often. That's my opinion. Now, wait, I want to

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address a comment in chat though. Needs to be

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more socially acceptable. So two things. much

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like details about your sex life I don't think

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like if you if somebody I knew purchased one

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of these and had one I'd be like good for you

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if you feel that that's the best use of your

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funds for what you're trying to get out of it

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I'm not gonna yuck your yum I'm really not right

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like that's that's on you right I absolutely

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wouldn't yuck your yum about that right But again,

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much like sharing details about your sex life,

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I don't think you need to go around broadcasting

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the fact that you've got one of these bots hanging

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out in your house. You know what I mean? Like

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I don't need to know. Right. OK. That's that's

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my thing. And if you tell me, like, good for

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you. But I'm saying, like, again, it's it's it

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kind of follows that same kind of ethical line

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in my head. Right, we're like again You know

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if that's if that's how you want to spend your

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money I'm not gonna yuck your yum. Go nuts dude

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like that's on you. I'm cool right Same as I

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don't bust anybody's chops about either being

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an only fans creator or somebody who pays for

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it, right? I give that's where you want to spend

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your money You know, I buy comic books and all

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kinds of dumb shit Buy more alcohol than I probably

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should Right the amount of money I've spent on

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cigarettes in my entire life is probably You

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know, you can say a lot of shit about where I've

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spent my money, you know, so take that for what

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it's worth I Don't know Jay, what do you think?

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Um, so touching on that Comment about you know

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be more socially acceptable I will say, I think

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we are starting to get there. And I would say,

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look at Japan, Japan, China, too. We heavily

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moving away from like traditional relationships.

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Um, it's very common, um, for people not to date.

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It's very common for people to go to these, um,

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uh, they're not considered escorts or anything,

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but like go to clubs where you actually just.

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Pay for a girl just to go out on a date It's

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not sexual but just go out on a date and talk

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to her and hang out with her so like a girlfriend

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for like five hours and then you go back home

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and You're on your own and they're happy on their

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own. Um So there's a huge like movement in Japan

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We're like dating is becoming like less and less

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popular and people are kind of like taking things

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into their own hands, I guess. No pun intended

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there. But there is an argument to be made for

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it. Yeah. I want to address one to chat, and

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it's it's actually ironic that this chat message

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came through because there is something on the

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rundown that we had not decided whether we're

00:17:48.910 --> 00:17:50.650
going to do. And I still don't think we're going

00:17:50.650 --> 00:17:55.970
to. Right. But this kind of gets me there. Somebody

00:17:55.970 --> 00:17:57.589
in the chat said, I agree with that broadcast

00:17:57.589 --> 00:17:59.710
here, but society looks down on people who are

00:17:59.710 --> 00:18:02.869
into non vanilla sex stuff. They make it a joke

00:18:02.869 --> 00:18:05.609
in the media all the time. And one of the things

00:18:05.609 --> 00:18:09.589
in our rundown is talking about non vanilla sex

00:18:09.589 --> 00:18:15.890
things. Right. I think we're going to do that

00:18:15.890 --> 00:18:19.849
as a topic at some point. We're running pretty

00:18:19.849 --> 00:18:22.549
late tonight, so I don't think and Jane I talked

00:18:22.549 --> 00:18:24.109
about I said I don't want to do this is like

00:18:24.109 --> 00:18:26.630
an eight or nine minute segment Like what we've

00:18:26.630 --> 00:18:29.809
got planned right like that's a longer topic

00:18:29.809 --> 00:18:36.150
But please know It's actually come up. It's in

00:18:36.150 --> 00:18:43.660
our rundown And we agree with you Right I am

00:18:43.660 --> 00:18:46.039
for decriminalization of sex work. I think it

00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:50.099
is detrimental to society to criminalize sex

00:18:50.099 --> 00:18:54.440
work. It pushes it underground. Prohibition only

00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:56.839
breeds organized crime. And especially in areas

00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:58.799
like this, it also breeds human trafficking.

00:19:00.259 --> 00:19:04.599
Right. It makes it a lot easier to do those kinds

00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:10.140
of things than. If you just decriminalized it.

00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:18.759
You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree. Um, and

00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:24.420
I'll say, you know, dog, dad, um, there's a quote

00:19:24.420 --> 00:19:31.180
that I really like, um, people are going to talk

00:19:31.180 --> 00:19:34.900
about you no matter what you do. So you might

00:19:34.900 --> 00:19:38.279
as well do what makes you happy and not give

00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:48.599
a fuck. Um, so yeah, and I, I'm very much not

00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:53.079
vanilla at all. And I struggled with that like

00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:57.259
growing up because I realized in middle school,

00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.619
I was not vanilla, but I did not know the word

00:20:00.619 --> 00:20:05.619
for it. And I thought something was wrong with

00:20:05.619 --> 00:20:09.720
me. And I suppressed it for a really long time.

00:20:10.099 --> 00:20:12.240
And I even went to a therapist and was like,

00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:15.440
fix me. And luckily in Florida, I guess I went

00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.660
to the only therapist. I was like, Oh yeah, there's

00:20:18.660 --> 00:20:21.740
nothing wrong with you. Let me help you accept

00:20:21.740 --> 00:20:26.359
you for who you are. There's nothing wrong with

00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:29.519
it. You have to live your own life, not give

00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:31.839
a fuck. People are going to bitch. People are

00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:34.119
going to complain. No matter what you do, you

00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:37.480
could live a fake vanilla life and still not

00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:42.809
make people happy. So yeah. Life's too short

00:20:42.809 --> 00:20:46.829
to be vanilla. Don't be vanilla. Do what you

00:20:46.829 --> 00:20:50.049
got to do. Kind of swinging it back to our original

00:20:50.049 --> 00:20:53.309
time, which the business of the adult entertainment

00:20:53.309 --> 00:20:58.069
industry. Another interesting thing in this report

00:20:58.069 --> 00:21:01.309
is, and I think it's the most key thing, and

00:21:01.309 --> 00:21:09.230
I actually think. I think that that. It's it's

00:21:09.230 --> 00:21:12.329
one of the difficult parts is monetizing consumers

00:21:12.329 --> 00:21:15.869
remains the largest hurdle. Right. Which, again,

00:21:15.869 --> 00:21:17.869
actually used to amaze me. It's like, why pay

00:21:17.869 --> 00:21:20.569
for only fans? Why pay for adult entertainment?

00:21:20.710 --> 00:21:24.329
Because there's so much out there for free. Right.

00:21:24.630 --> 00:21:30.289
It is not hard to find free entertainment. Very

00:21:30.289 --> 00:21:32.569
true. You know what I mean? And I think they're

00:21:32.569 --> 00:21:34.490
saying this to like, they're like, man, we but

00:21:34.490 --> 00:21:38.949
people still pay for it. But yeah, I mean, you

00:21:38.949 --> 00:21:43.869
know, what percentage are of the what percentage

00:21:43.869 --> 00:21:45.970
of the consumer base are actually willing to

00:21:45.970 --> 00:21:48.670
pay for it? And I actually think that that number

00:21:48.670 --> 00:21:53.150
is low. I think of the total number of people

00:21:53.150 --> 00:21:55.809
who consume adult entertainment, the amount who

00:21:55.809 --> 00:21:59.869
are willing to put money into it is probably

00:21:59.869 --> 00:22:05.130
the minority. Wouldn't you agree? Yeah, I mean,

00:22:06.109 --> 00:22:14.769
like. You have free websites like pornhub where

00:22:14.769 --> 00:22:24.710
you can find anything reddit reddit Twitter Yeah,

00:22:25.410 --> 00:22:27.589
I mean yes, you could have like better quality

00:22:27.589 --> 00:22:30.289
or maybe the complete video if you paid for it,

00:22:30.289 --> 00:22:38.599
but You can kind of just find it free on One

00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:43.799
of those platforms, so. And I would say that's

00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:45.700
the majority of people, that's what they're doing,

00:22:45.740 --> 00:22:46.980
like they're not they're not actually paying

00:22:46.980 --> 00:22:53.339
for it. So, yeah. The other thing that's interesting

00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:55.380
to note about their thing, and again, we're talking

00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:57.319
about the mainstream adult entertainment, the

00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:01.579
margins are surprisingly low. The profit margin

00:23:01.579 --> 00:23:08.589
is only five point nine percent. Yeah, that which

00:23:08.589 --> 00:23:10.869
again to me feeds into the how many people aren't

00:23:10.869 --> 00:23:16.549
paying for it. Yeah. Right. And also, dang, your

00:23:16.549 --> 00:23:23.710
operating costs for this business are high. So

00:23:23.710 --> 00:23:33.630
I will say. So. The the people that I know that

00:23:33.630 --> 00:23:36.730
are in the adult industry. the issue with only

00:23:36.730 --> 00:23:40.410
fans is that it's actually kind of like a perfect

00:23:40.410 --> 00:23:44.289
business model issue so whenever someone makes

00:23:44.289 --> 00:23:48.869
a lot of money in a market or industry that's

00:23:48.869 --> 00:23:52.690
that's a signal for others to come in and drive

00:23:52.690 --> 00:23:55.890
the price down to also make profits so that's

00:23:55.890 --> 00:24:00.089
how everything works in the world so if someone's

00:24:00.089 --> 00:24:02.369
making a shit ton of money because they're like

00:24:02.369 --> 00:24:06.170
an innovator It's not going to last forever They're

00:24:06.170 --> 00:24:08.109
going to get dragged down with like competitors

00:24:08.109 --> 00:24:10.529
in her entering the market the issue with only

00:24:10.529 --> 00:24:15.609
fans is you'll have thousands of girls doing

00:24:15.609 --> 00:24:19.109
these insanely low membership only fans of like

00:24:19.109 --> 00:24:21.609
375 like three dollars and seventy five cents

00:24:21.609 --> 00:24:25.750
or whatever with with a low PPV content threshold

00:24:25.750 --> 00:24:30.630
so it In the beginning, like people were making

00:24:30.630 --> 00:24:33.150
a lot of money, I feel like, on only fans. But

00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:36.450
now the market's flooded. Yeah, the market is

00:24:36.450 --> 00:24:40.109
flooded and it's dragging the price down of of

00:24:40.109 --> 00:24:43.529
adult content. But then also on the other side

00:24:43.529 --> 00:24:46.509
of things, what my friends kind of tell me and

00:24:46.509 --> 00:24:54.089
like kind of complain about is. D .F .M .E .A.'s.

00:24:54.109 --> 00:24:57.210
I'm not sure if that's the right acronym. But

00:24:57.210 --> 00:25:01.109
like a service that they have to pay to get their

00:25:01.109 --> 00:25:05.789
content pulled down. Oh, DMCA. Yes. There you

00:25:05.789 --> 00:25:09.109
go. There's a one in Copyright Act. Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:09.549 --> 00:25:12.950
You have to pay that to keep your content from

00:25:12.950 --> 00:25:15.630
being just uploaded for free to various sites.

00:25:15.690 --> 00:25:21.369
Yep. I will say like traditional porn, where

00:25:21.369 --> 00:25:23.470
you actually because my friends also do that

00:25:23.470 --> 00:25:28.140
as well. Where like you get flown out to a location

00:25:28.140 --> 00:25:30.460
and they have a whole setup and like a makeup

00:25:30.460 --> 00:25:33.099
artist and film crew and all of that kind of

00:25:33.099 --> 00:25:35.779
stuff and they pay for your hotel and all of

00:25:35.779 --> 00:25:38.119
that like that seems like that's really expensive,

00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.339
but then they make an insane amount of money

00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:46.160
off of that like So I don't know I think you

00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:48.359
have one extreme in the other you have the high

00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.220
production traditional porn aspect that's able

00:25:51.220 --> 00:25:55.240
to have a higher profit margin than your five

00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:57.579
point whatever percent you stated. And then you

00:25:57.579 --> 00:26:02.299
have the very low end market where like people

00:26:02.299 --> 00:26:04.359
are trying to get their content to be bought.

00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:10.359
But it's so such a low price. If that makes sense.

00:26:11.019 --> 00:26:16.160
Yeah. Kind of coming back to also the taboo stuff,

00:26:16.539 --> 00:26:20.500
right? The taboo part of it makes us a difficult

00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:26.940
thing to do business wise. because it's taboo.

00:26:27.740 --> 00:26:32.960
Right. Like. It just is, you know, right, wrong

00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:35.160
or indifferent. That's the world we live in right

00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:46.579
now. You know, so it's it's hard to get good

00:26:46.579 --> 00:26:50.440
data because a lot of it's hidden, you know.

00:26:53.730 --> 00:26:56.910
It's tough it's super tough to figure this all

00:26:56.910 --> 00:27:00.910
out I do like this report. I think it's an interesting

00:27:00.910 --> 00:27:05.130
report again looking at it. You can see and I

00:27:05.130 --> 00:27:07.309
Think from their challenges point. It's something

00:27:07.309 --> 00:27:11.890
that I don't think Yeah, it's something they

00:27:11.890 --> 00:27:16.769
don't They kind of they kind of touch on right

00:27:16.769 --> 00:27:19.210
which is for traditional adult entertainment.

00:27:19.509 --> 00:27:21.329
They really are they're competing with only fans

00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:26.660
Right. And again, is that a more genuine feeling

00:27:26.660 --> 00:27:32.200
experience, right, to watch two amateurs on OnlyFans

00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:37.599
versus a traditional produced high production

00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:42.680
value adult video? You know what I mean? And

00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:46.599
I think that's why the success for those more

00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:49.589
low production amateur That stuff. But again,

00:27:49.609 --> 00:27:52.650
it also drives the pricing points down because

00:27:52.650 --> 00:27:58.130
now the market's flooded enough to make. The

00:27:58.130 --> 00:28:05.250
commodity drop in value. Yeah. You know, and

00:28:05.250 --> 00:28:07.490
then there's the constant legalization thing,

00:28:07.490 --> 00:28:11.049
you know, and it's it's where is it legal? And

00:28:11.049 --> 00:28:13.190
what's interesting and I'm curious, I need to

00:28:13.190 --> 00:28:15.710
get with like a lawyer. Because I would love

00:28:15.710 --> 00:28:17.569
to do a follow up on this one, because one of

00:28:17.569 --> 00:28:20.150
the things they point out is California and Delaware

00:28:20.150 --> 00:28:22.789
are two of the only states where it's legal to

00:28:22.789 --> 00:28:27.589
film hardcore adult entertainment stuff. Right.

00:28:27.990 --> 00:28:30.289
But you know, it's being filmed by only fans,

00:28:30.450 --> 00:28:32.410
creators and stuff like that in other locations.

00:28:32.630 --> 00:28:39.109
So is that like a legal loophole? So we'd like

00:28:39.109 --> 00:28:43.339
to follow up. something I have heard is kind

00:28:43.339 --> 00:28:51.059
of the loophole of Only fans is so it's easy

00:28:51.059 --> 00:28:54.960
for if you're a traditional porn Company for

00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:56.819
that to get shut down in these kind of states

00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:58.799
and again, this is just what I heard everywhere,

00:28:58.900 --> 00:29:04.400
but California and Delaware yeah, but If you

00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.740
are a content creator, which most content creators,

00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:10.380
and I do not agree with this, this is a bad business

00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:12.180
model, just FYI, because you're going to lose

00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:14.579
a lot of money in taxes. They don't have an LLC

00:29:14.579 --> 00:29:17.319
set up and I'm talking about very amateur people.

00:29:17.579 --> 00:29:21.880
They're just content creators. Um, that then

00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:25.160
if you're not a legal entity, then it's like

00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:32.240
a freedom of speech. Huh? Very interesting. That's

00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:34.119
just what I've heard I would love to get it like

00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:36.539
a lawyer on here and kind of like verify that

00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:41.640
but yeah, I Don't know if you guys are interested

00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:43.859
in this topic and us continuing to talk about

00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:46.680
topics like these Let us know we'll keep going

00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:50.849
down this rabbit hole Just a side funny story

00:29:50.849 --> 00:29:53.910
again, and you were talking about Japan Jay remembers

00:29:53.910 --> 00:29:55.750
we did before we shut down the store one of the

00:29:55.750 --> 00:29:58.049
last big events We did was we did our first gamers

00:29:58.049 --> 00:30:01.109
heaven after dark where we had adult content

00:30:01.109 --> 00:30:05.150
creators, right? What do we have a ten? There

00:30:05.150 --> 00:30:10.109
that night And the ten or twelve, right? Okay,

00:30:10.470 --> 00:30:13.029
we had ten or twelve adult content creators to

00:30:13.029 --> 00:30:14.630
include the people that Jay does his podcast

00:30:14.630 --> 00:30:18.809
with Unnatural to some so you guys can can go

00:30:18.809 --> 00:30:22.230
look at that podcast as well. So they were there.

00:30:22.289 --> 00:30:24.930
We had some adult content creators. We had Japanese

00:30:24.930 --> 00:30:29.490
adult arcade games. And then what was really

00:30:29.490 --> 00:30:31.210
interesting against me as a Japan is we are getting

00:30:31.210 --> 00:30:33.630
product to sell because we sell nerdy stuff.

00:30:33.930 --> 00:30:37.109
So let's go find the adult nerdy stuff. And boy,

00:30:37.210 --> 00:30:39.910
when I was getting ready to set the orders for

00:30:39.910 --> 00:30:42.970
that adult nerdy stuff, did I go down a rabbit

00:30:42.970 --> 00:30:46.789
hole of all the shit that they make in Japan.

00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.019
Right? Because some of it's very innocuous. It's

00:30:50.019 --> 00:30:55.500
like desk mats and banners and cutouts. But some

00:30:55.500 --> 00:30:58.259
of it is not so innocuous. And we had to have

00:30:58.259 --> 00:31:01.579
long discussions at the store about how far down

00:31:01.579 --> 00:31:03.900
did we want to go down this line for the first

00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:06.960
event? Right. And what ended up being the only

00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:08.819
one? We would have done more had the store stayed

00:31:08.819 --> 00:31:12.420
open because the event itself was a resounding

00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:16.720
success. We sold out of tickets in like a week.

00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:19.859
If that like Jay, you were there that night.

00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:27.099
It was packed. It was and I was I was excited

00:31:27.099 --> 00:31:32.819
like we were talking about so much stuff. I remember

00:31:32.819 --> 00:31:34.619
at one point we were talking about because something

00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:37.059
that I'm like heavily into is Shabari. Yeah.

00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:39.599
Which is Japanese rope bondage, which I think

00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.200
is very artistic and very cool looking. Very

00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.549
cool looking. It's very beautiful. And we were

00:31:45.549 --> 00:31:47.869
talking about like the next one, maybe doing

00:31:47.869 --> 00:31:55.450
a Shabari show. And I was like. Yep. And then

00:31:55.450 --> 00:31:58.910
Alex just decided not to do it anymore. It was

00:31:58.910 --> 00:32:05.309
not my fault. We sadly we sadly had to shut the

00:32:05.309 --> 00:32:07.910
store down. Yes, it was much more male dominated.

00:32:08.089 --> 00:32:12.130
I would say. There were there was more women

00:32:12.130 --> 00:32:15.029
there than I thought would be there. who bought

00:32:15.029 --> 00:32:19.150
tickets to go. Right. It was not like a 90 10

00:32:19.150 --> 00:32:22.210
split. I would say it was closer to a 70 30.

00:32:24.630 --> 00:32:33.349
For that event. I can I'm ballparking. I can't

00:32:33.349 --> 00:32:37.910
remember. Again, it was a very popular event.

00:32:38.609 --> 00:32:43.539
People. People. People were excited about it.

00:32:43.539 --> 00:32:45.900
We were iffy about it at first. We were like,

00:32:45.940 --> 00:32:47.960
well, is this going to go off? And we were like,

00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:49.839
are we going to sell enough tickets to justify

00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.359
the event? And boy, howdy. We ended up having

00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.180
to extend out how many tickets we had done. Right.

00:32:57.259 --> 00:32:58.819
We originally were going to sell 40, and I think

00:32:58.819 --> 00:33:03.319
we ended up selling 70 tickets to the event.

00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:09.859
And yet people had a good time. Come in, interact

00:33:09.859 --> 00:33:13.579
with adult content creators. You know hang out

00:33:13.579 --> 00:33:19.460
people played games Right. Yeah, you know Yeah,

00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.900
so it was it was definitely a thing We did our

00:33:22.900 --> 00:33:25.259
best to try and take the taboo out of it again

00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:27.279
keeping within the legal requirements that we

00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:29.640
have You know in that it has to be an 18 up event

00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:34.400
and things like that You know without having

00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.160
to get a full adult entertainment license, but

00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.359
Do you want to type in this last note here? You've

00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:42.819
got something about your your somebody who was

00:33:42.819 --> 00:33:45.099
at the event has now been approached to make

00:33:45.099 --> 00:33:53.660
a item. Oh. Yeah. So one of my friends, Nikki

00:33:53.660 --> 00:33:58.819
South, she's on the other podcast with me. We

00:33:58.819 --> 00:34:03.779
we were at the event at your store. but like

00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:05.900
this came up recently and like the past week

00:34:05.900 --> 00:34:07.579
and I just thought it was kind of like a funny

00:34:07.579 --> 00:34:11.079
like little thing because she reached out to

00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:12.659
me about it and she was like hey should I do

00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:17.760
this a toy company adult toy company reached

00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.739
out to her and said like hey are you interested

00:34:21.739 --> 00:34:24.260
in having your own adult toy like we'll send

00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:26.980
you like the plaster and everything like just

00:34:26.980 --> 00:34:30.360
like a tutorial on how to set it up You don't

00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:32.920
have to pay for anything. It's completely free

00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:38.219
You essentially make a cast of yourself and then

00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:45.000
we will mass produce a toy of yourself and then

00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:49.340
yeah, you would get like a percentage of the

00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:52.019
Profits of all the toys and she was like is this

00:34:52.019 --> 00:34:54.500
legit and I was like, oh, yeah this fucking looks

00:34:54.500 --> 00:34:58.289
legit and you should do it but it was a It was

00:34:58.289 --> 00:35:03.929
kind of a kind of a little funny thing. And yeah,

00:35:04.150 --> 00:35:06.730
going back to kind of talking about that night

00:35:06.730 --> 00:35:12.150
at your at the game store. I just remembered.

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So there was a very famous and he really came

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in under the radar. He did not tell people his

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adult adult name. He wanted just to be there

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just to enjoy. The party and yeah, yeah But he's

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a very famous male porn star And they even like

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name drop him on a TV show letter Kenny. I'm

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not sure if you guys are familiar with that Oh,

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yeah, but I we were sitting at a table playing

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games and there a girl came up and she goes Have

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we met before and he goes I don't think so and

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she's like you look so familiar And he just laughed.

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It was like, I have a very familiar looking face.

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But is it who I'm thinking of? Maybe. Yeah, I

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think so. At the store. Yeah, I think it was.

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Yeah. Don't worry, folks. Let your freak flag

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fly. Yeah, so if you want us to talk, wow, that

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was a long segment. If you want us to talk more

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about these kind of segments in the future, let

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us know. We will add this stuff. I'd love to

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get a lawyer on here. I have a friend who used

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to work in the early days of the internet prawn

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industry. We'll see who else we can get on to

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chat about some of this. If the topic interests

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you, let us know down in the comments below.